tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post7483532568404739027..comments2023-10-02T01:11:04.783-07:00Comments on Mahound's <br>Paradise: Pope: There Is No HellOakes Spaldinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08078500142758654392noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-70414208386970621922015-05-22T20:14:38.170-07:002015-05-22T20:14:38.170-07:00Hey, Andrew. I emailed you at the address I have f...Hey, Andrew. I emailed you at the address I have for you but it looks like you didn't get it. Email me at ospalding@saveversusallwands.com. Cheers!Oakes Spaldinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08078500142758654392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-71547346156461718842015-05-22T18:16:18.620-07:002015-05-22T18:16:18.620-07:00Have you ever read "Là-bas" by J.K. Huy...Have you ever read "Là-bas" by J.K. Huysmans ?<br /><br />http://www.gutenberg.org/files/14323/14323-h/14323-h.htm<br /><br />It seems to be from the point of view of a faithful and traditional Roman Catholic who is dismayed by the apostasy of his day as he considers the reality and power of Evil.Andrewhttp://www.connecthook.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-38473967650136318682015-05-11T10:34:54.479-07:002015-05-11T10:34:54.479-07:00I agree with you on this; that it is going to get ...I agree with you on this; that it is going to get worse. There's no shades of grey between what is right and what is wrong.<br />He is acknowledging those shades of grey.<br />Many have pointed out the way he personally changed before he was elected pope and now as a pope. <br /><br />mimilove_exehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14373215587553977123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-38521462207170328222015-03-30T20:12:05.689-07:002015-03-30T20:12:05.689-07:00Dear Militia Immaculata, have you seen the video o...Dear Militia Immaculata, have you seen the video of Pope Francis meeting with the group of protestant preachers (brother bishops, he calls them) during which he says "for me to say this is a theological disaster, but...." then goes on to expound heresy? Gee, I wish this weren't happening, but it is. We don't need these insane Scalfari interviews to see it. By the way, it is Francis who initiated and reached out to Scalfari for the scandalous interviews, and he does it again and again. Stupidity, or evil? You choose. Neither choice is very good. In the video where the pope proudly proclaims heresy, you can read the pope's lips. He is saying that he knows it is not catholic doctrine, but...., then proceeds to utter heresy. The other day, he said to a large crowd, "we will all be in heaven together, all of us, all of us.". There are so many examples of this man proclaiming ideas destructive or counter to the faith, it is dizzying. Look at the heretics which he hand-picks to surround him. Seriously, it is not charitable at all to allow a pope to be a heretic and to lead the flock over a cliff. Let us pray earnestly for a very quick end to his reign, or at least for his conversion to the catholic faith.hereticscantbefollowedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07875054440287845567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-13809987138630537542015-03-26T16:59:55.726-07:002015-03-26T16:59:55.726-07:00Don't blame me. I was only doing fraternal cor...Don't blame me. I was only doing fraternal correction.Oakes Spaldinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08078500142758654392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-24535993316901607112015-03-26T16:05:02.513-07:002015-03-26T16:05:02.513-07:00Whoa . . . I haven't made any rash judgments a...Whoa . . . I haven't made any rash judgments about your character; your accusations turns right around on you. I never said you were actually guilty of mortal sin; in quoting St. Thomas Aquinas I said that to assume someone's wickedness without sufficient evidence (even if it's not actually discussed with others) is an objectively mortal sin. Note that I said OBJECTIVELY -- subjectively speaking, I can't know the state of your soul. But someone is doing something that is objectively gravely wrong, it would be silly not to give fraternal correction simply because you can't know how personally culpable they were. One of the Spiritual Works of Mercy is to admonish the sinner, is it not?<br /><br />So let me get this straight -- you dare to call me out for supposedly making rash judgments against someone, namely yourself, whom I don't know and with whom I've never had any exchange, and then you turn around and do the same thing to someone you don't even know, namely myself, claiming people like myself are supposedly "quite vicious" against those who aren't the pope?! How hypocritical can one get?! How can you possibly know how "vicious" I supposedly am to others? While I don't claim to have completely mastered the art of Christian charity, I'll have you know that I strive with God's grace to be charitable to others, although I at times fall short.<br /><br />Militia Immaculatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15021417068774633653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-22920857146039376092015-03-26T15:42:23.326-07:002015-03-26T15:42:23.326-07:00I know. That it's in the Catechism doesn't...I know. That it's in the Catechism doesn't make it true. But most Catholic truths regarding faith or morals are in the Catechism. The Hell thing is in there because it's been the consistent teaching of the Church since its founding.Oakes Spaldinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08078500142758654392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-61853104380644533552015-03-26T15:36:49.708-07:002015-03-26T15:36:49.708-07:00So, you just spent multiple paragraphs saying how ...So, you just spent multiple paragraphs saying how Christians should never make rash judgments about other people's moral character, and should always make the most charitable assumption about people's motivations and intentions, etc. etc. and so on and so forth. And then you concluded of someone you had never met nor had any sort of exchange with, and after having read one and only one blog post by that person that he had committed an objectively mortal sin. Give me a break.<br /><br />Sure it's a sin to judge others rashly. But frankly we're well past that point with Pope Francis. It's also a sin to refuse to make judgments at all, especially about things that are directly harming the Church and thus harming particular Christians, out of a misplaced pride or attitude of being "more charitable than thou." And of course, the Pope defenders (including you I'm afraid) are only charitable, if you can even call it that, with the person of the Pope. Against others they are often quite vicious.<br /><br />So, sorry, but while I've certainly committed my share of mortal sins, I don't think I committed any in that blog post. Are you going to call me a liar now?Oakes Spaldinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08078500142758654392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-43453838604536728372015-03-26T13:39:45.349-07:002015-03-26T13:39:45.349-07:00First, I remind you of what Hilary White and Matt ...First, I remind you of what Hilary White and Matt Landry said about this blog entry of yours on your Facebook page (which I happened to stumble across right after I first encountered this blog entry). Having done so, you seem to forget that it's basic Christian charity to refrain from rash judgment and not to automatically assume the worst of someone -- including the pope. There have been many times when the pope could have been more clear; however, insinuating that he's a heretic or at least heterodox really crosses the line.<br /><br />Here's what the Catechism of the Catholic Church as to say about it: <br /><br />2477 Respect for the reputation of persons forbids every attitude and word likely to cause them unjust injury (277). He becomes guilty: <br />- of rash judgment who, even tacitly, assumes as true, without sufficient foundation, the moral fault of a neighbor; <br />- of detraction who, without objectively valid reason, discloses another's faults and failings to persons who did not know them;<br />- of calumny who, by remarks contrary to the truth, harms the reputation of others and gives occasion for false judgments concerning them.<br /><br />2478 To avoid rash judgment, everyone should be careful to interpret insofar as possible his neighbor's thoughts, words, and deeds in a favorable way:<br /><br />Every good Christian ought to be more ready to give a favorable interpretation to another's statement than to condemn it. But if he cannot do so, let him ask how the other understands it. and if the latter understands it badly, let the former correct him with love. If that does not suffice, let the Christian try all suitable ways to bring the other to a correct interpretation so that he may be saved. [Attributed to St. Ignatius of Loyola, Spiritual Exercises, 22 in footnotes]<br /><br />And St. Thomas Aquinas, in his Summa, elaborates:<br /><br />Now there are three degrees of suspicion. The first degree is when a man begins to doubt of another's goodness from slight indications. This is a venial and a light sin; for "it belongs to human temptation without which no man can go through this life," according to a gloss on 1 Corinthians 4:5, "Judge not before the time." The second degree is when a man, from slight indications, esteems another man's wickedness as certain. THIS IS A MORTAL SIN (emphasis added), if it be about a grave matter, since it cannot be without contempt of one's neighbor. Hence the same gloss goes on to say: "If then we cannot avoid suspicions, because we are human, we must nevertheless restrain our judgment, and refrain from forming a definite and fixed opinion." The third degree is when a judge goes so far as to condemn a man on suspicion: this pertains directly to injustice, and is consequently a mortal sin.<br /><br />So to claim without sufficient proof (and Matt Landry and Hilary White both told you that your citation of Eugenio Scalfari doesn't constitute sufficient proof) that Pope Francis is a heretic, heterodox,or trying to destroy the Church is to commit an objectively mortal sin.<br />Militia Immaculatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15021417068774633653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-39175463478367357242015-03-23T06:51:27.547-07:002015-03-23T06:51:27.547-07:00Most certainly we have a bad one.
Ancient Israel ...Most certainly we have a bad one. <br />Ancient Israel and Judah also had some bad ones (e.g. King Amon and King Manesseh}. But the Temple remained in Jerusalem.<br />The challenge is to keep the unity of the Catholic Church through the tough times that are ahead of us. We surely need plenty of prayers.<br />www.popeleo13.com/pope/2015/02/25/category-archive-message-board-265-extra-ecclessiam-nulla-salus-2/Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07856602140822597146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-19894968825181147672015-03-23T05:46:40.397-07:002015-03-23T05:46:40.397-07:00you might reconsider quoting the CCC. Really. Ju...you might reconsider quoting the CCC. Really. Just read #841.armelitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10400887786034553802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-21996845414137047872015-03-22T22:54:13.275-07:002015-03-22T22:54:13.275-07:00Yes. Here is what it looks like in the Protestant-...Yes. Here is what it looks like in the Protestant-Evangelical context:<br /><br />http://www.rethinkinghell.com/about/statementPeter Gricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04126539954064642809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-70796264867315088012015-03-20T09:31:12.979-07:002015-03-20T09:31:12.979-07:00I trust you on this, Hugh. I guess I thought that ...I trust you on this, Hugh. I guess I thought that among some Protestants or Protestant denominations it was an officially okay thing to believe--in other words, you can say that Hell MEANS annihilation, etc. I'm thinking about a book I have where two Protestant theologians debate the question, edited by Fudge I think. Do you know it? But maybe the Annihilationism guy was a known dissident from official teachings. I don't remember who it was and the book is in storage. I might have been too tough on the Biblical evidence. I think you can make a reasonable argument for Annihilationism based solely on the Scriptural sources. And of course, it's something many of want to believe.Oakes Spaldinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08078500142758654392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-63160834393329215642015-03-20T07:03:53.974-07:002015-03-20T07:03:53.974-07:00But no confessional Protestant denomination holds ...But no confessional Protestant denomination holds teaches their is no hell, even the liberal churches retain it in their confessions and catechisms. You could just have easily said some sincere Roman Catholics hold to it (which is kinda what is being alleged I guess). KingofElflandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01725335915535937373noreply@blogger.com