tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post4364240281318487325..comments2023-10-02T01:11:04.783-07:00Comments on Mahound's <br>Paradise: Will you please please please please please please please stop talking?Oakes Spaldinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08078500142758654392noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-91452539366265671082015-09-25T19:55:09.438-07:002015-09-25T19:55:09.438-07:00Oh! That was painful to read! What drivel! Nothing...Oh! That was painful to read! What drivel! Nothing about a life for Christ, in Christ, with Christ. Christ is what gives meaning and purpose to our lives. The Living Bread. The Way, The Truth & The Life. Why be Catholic? Why go to church, to Mass? <br />If I had read that not knowing who wrote or said it- I would NEVER guess it was a pope! It is completely secular.<br />The best part of this post was the caption under the picture of Francis! I was hysterical! I needed a good laugh. Maybe after poping Francis can become a motivational speaker. christinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00116852732212653340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-49561480492408118042015-09-23T10:16:38.983-07:002015-09-23T10:16:38.983-07:00Yes, Perhaps the most famous example is John XXII....Yes, Perhaps the most famous example is John XXII. He went around giving heretical homilies about the Last Judgment and was publicly resisted by many bishops and others. I believe he recanted on his deathbed. See http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2015/01/a-pope-who-fell-into-heresy-church-that.htmlOakes Spaldinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08078500142758654392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-51597363004530206592015-09-23T10:05:02.960-07:002015-09-23T10:05:02.960-07:00Yes, there have been heretical popes. This is not ...Yes, there have been heretical popes. This is not to say that any pope has attempted to define a heresy as dogmatic. But several popes have at one time or another, out of ignorance or obstinacy, embraced heretical views. This is not really in dispute.Romulushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18071095565318181930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-7965966576699739842015-09-23T09:08:27.017-07:002015-09-23T09:08:27.017-07:00There's a difference between an immoral pope a...There's a difference between an immoral pope and a heretical one. Pretty sure there's never been a heretical pope.<br /><br />And Christ's promise extends to the Pope...On this Rock.Anthony N. Emmelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14017952532295866111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-46119700771561432982015-09-23T08:12:44.809-07:002015-09-23T08:12:44.809-07:00No one is saying that. But there is canon law supp...No one is saying that. But there is canon law support for laypeople calling out bad bishops. And there is also provision for a council judging a pope as a formal heretic (and thus not pope). That obviously sounds extreme. It IS extreme. But then so is setting up a procedural mechanism to dissolve 50% of all marriages. I can't imagine that this pope wil be "removed" but at this point it is not unreasonable to speculate on these sorts of scenarios, as fantastic as they might sound (and are).Oakes Spaldinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08078500142758654392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-12707720808455944602015-09-23T08:06:28.497-07:002015-09-23T08:06:28.497-07:00You, acknowledge, then, the reality that the Holy ...You, acknowledge, then, the reality that the Holy Spirit does not personally choose the pope?<br /><br />Our Lord's guarantee does not preclude the Church falling into catastrophe, and indeed she has done so several times in her history, even as a result of the misdeeds of her hierarchs. Jesus's promise would hold true even if the Church were reduced to one priest offering a valid Mass in a secluded cave. It is in no way a promise that everything will remain peachy-keen, and in fact a great many authorized apparitions foretell great crises and apostasy at the highest levels.Murrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12747213382322731103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-5570919882308985352015-09-23T07:59:54.795-07:002015-09-23T07:59:54.795-07:00But Anthony, there have been "bad popes"...But Anthony, there have been "bad popes"--corrupt and immoral men. No catholic historian would deny this. So we therefore KNOW that Jesus' promise did not mean what you are implying it means. How would you explain the "bad popes"?Oakes Spaldinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08078500142758654392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-61425211972887373842015-09-23T07:21:04.817-07:002015-09-23T07:21:04.817-07:00I also recall that Jesus said, "Upon this roc...I also recall that Jesus said, "Upon this rock I will build my Church and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it." By suggesting that the Holy Father (not Francis, the Holy Father in Rome) can be a servant of the Evil One when Christ Himself said that he would protect his Church, you're coming close to schism and heresy.Anthony N. Emmelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14017952532295866111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-17759353611367861772015-09-23T07:19:14.197-07:002015-09-23T07:19:14.197-07:00You know, if you really want to join a Church wher...You know, if you really want to join a Church where you get to choose your bishops, you can always join the Episcopal Church. They actually vote for their bishops.Anthony N. Emmelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14017952532295866111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-33374743515233577672015-09-23T06:45:25.696-07:002015-09-23T06:45:25.696-07:00Thanks Oakes for more evidence of the dementia of ...Thanks Oakes for more evidence of the dementia of Catholicism in the hands of Pope Francis who has been brainwashed by modernist theologians. Perhaps it is time to circulate a petition for his removal. Michael Dowdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16650782589323136700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-81654622963420731882015-09-23T06:32:02.445-07:002015-09-23T06:32:02.445-07:00Here's the link, found it.
Please Francis, ju...<br />Here's the link, found it.<br /><br />Please Francis, just watch this and do likewise. Talk about Jesus. <br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqS-bVrZlu8JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18149137656710173911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-11981220646242099402015-09-23T06:26:57.887-07:002015-09-23T06:26:57.887-07:00There is something seriously wrong here.
Recall...There is something seriously wrong here. <br /><br />Recall JP II speaking to the youth of Chile. He dramatically points them to a huge picture of Jesus Christ's face (Che nowhere in sight) and exclaims "Who is He? A Social reformer? No! Mucho mucho mas!!" In Spanish.<br /><br />We hear nothing of the sort from Bishop Jorge.JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18149137656710173911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-16431191295727072972015-09-23T06:25:45.589-07:002015-09-23T06:25:45.589-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18149137656710173911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-60683989040483488072015-09-23T05:07:29.455-07:002015-09-23T05:07:29.455-07:00And The Year of Murky doesn't even begin until...And The Year of Murky doesn't even begin until December!Liam Ronanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01376666519733160167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-80748839824619688562015-09-23T04:34:50.253-07:002015-09-23T04:34:50.253-07:00Am I wrong but is Jesus nowhere mentioned in that ...Am I wrong but is Jesus nowhere mentioned in that monologue?JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18149137656710173911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-58305298419590083902015-09-22T21:31:39.523-07:002015-09-22T21:31:39.523-07:00Mr. Emmel,
None other than Our Lord Himself sele...Mr. Emmel, <br /><br />None other than Our Lord Himself selected Judas Iscariot as one of His Apostles, but that doesn't mean Judas was deprived of his free will (nor freed from the defects of original sin). Or do you deny a basic tenet of our theology? Codgitator (Cadgertator)https://www.blogger.com/profile/00872093788960965392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-13681896842078561222015-09-22T19:40:59.263-07:002015-09-22T19:40:59.263-07:00That's a great Benedict quote and deserves to ...That's a great Benedict quote and deserves to be more widely known.Oakes Spaldinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08078500142758654392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-82505507939513301032015-09-22T19:37:57.461-07:002015-09-22T19:37:57.461-07:00Yes. I think 1 and/or 2 (probably "and")...Yes. I think 1 and/or 2 (probably "and") is precisely right.Oakes Spaldinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08078500142758654392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-25927442451675834052015-09-22T09:32:09.571-07:002015-09-22T09:32:09.571-07:00Benedict XVI, who as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was...Benedict XVI, who as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was asked on Bavarian television in 1997 if the Holy Spirit is responsible for who gets elected. This was his response: <br />"I would not say so, in the sense that the Holy Spirit picks out the Pope. ... I would say that the Spirit does not exactly take control of the affair, but rather like a good educator, as it were, leaves us much space, much freedom, without entirely abandoning us. Thus the Spirit's role should be understood in a much more elastic sense, not that he dictates the candidate for whom one must vote. Probably the only assurance he offers is that the thing cannot be totally ruined." <br />Then the clincher: "There are too many contrary instances of popes the Holy Spirit obviously would not have picked!"Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08816790332051231659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-71895049962962466092015-09-22T09:21:43.258-07:002015-09-22T09:21:43.258-07:00Certainly the cardinals elected the pope, but they...Certainly the cardinals elected the pope, but they were entirely free to reject the counsel of the Holy Spirit in doing so. The cardinal-electors do not surrender their free will when they enter the conclave, they do not become robots, mere amenuenses of the Spirit.<br /><br />We have had imprudent, foolish, or just plain bad popes in the past. Nothing whatsoever leads us to believe that we will never have bad popes in the future.<br /><br />Alternatively, it is entirely possible--even Scriptural--to speculate that the Holy Spirit might guide the cardinal-electors to select a bad pope as a chastisement. If God can use men to sack Jerusalem, destroy the Temple, and send the people of Israel into exile because of their iniquity, he can certainly send us a wake-up call once in a while.Murrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12747213382322731103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-11884971746977884492015-09-22T07:58:13.243-07:002015-09-22T07:58:13.243-07:00Actually, the cardinals, inspired by the guidance ...Actually, the cardinals, inspired by the guidance of the Holy spirit, selected the Pope. Are do you deny a basic tenet of our theology?Anthony N. Emmelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14017952532295866111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-79455140839949235022015-09-22T05:35:07.754-07:002015-09-22T05:35:07.754-07:00Did the Cardinals elect Pope Oprah Obama? He sound...Did the Cardinals elect Pope Oprah Obama? He sounds like a combination of both.<br /><br />AnthonyUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05192594580249914996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-46357341430035514692015-09-22T00:29:31.610-07:002015-09-22T00:29:31.610-07:00I am not so sure I want Francis to stop talking. I...I am not so sure I want Francis to stop talking. If you recall, his ghostwriter, Archbishop Fernandez made the following claim:<br /><br />“No, there’s no turning back. If and when Francis is no longer pope, his legacy will remain strong. For example, the pope is convinced that the things he’s already written or said cannot be condemned as an error. Therefore, in the future anyone can repeat those things without fear of being sanctioned. And then the majority of the People of God with their special sense will not easily accept turning back on certain things.” <br /><br />I jokingly called this the Buenos Aires School of "Theology", but this is not to say that there will not be a gaggle of followers who will try to promote just this stupidy post Francis. And IMHO, the best way to eradicate this idiocy is to mock Francis when he speaks in platitudes befitting a pre-teen shool girl wall poster.<br /><br />"If you love him, let him go. If he returns, you know he loves you. If he doesn't, you know he was never yours to be". <br /><br />Sorry, I couldn't resist. S. Armaticushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02140609867389147240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-77190148452314732102015-09-21T22:48:04.669-07:002015-09-21T22:48:04.669-07:00Spot on comments. The St. Francis quote is importa...Spot on comments. The St. Francis quote is important and disturbing. And "This is repellent" says about all that needs to be said.<br /><br />Satan is often rightly portrayed as supernaturally intelligent and cunning. But there's an alternative tradition that identifies evil as also involving mind-numbing imbecility. Recall the hypnotically annoying game that Satan plays with Ransom in C.S. Lewis' Perelandra--"Ransom?" "Yes?" "Nothing." . . . "Ransom?" "Yes?" "Nothing."<br /><br />I think we will all need our wits about us in the coming months.Oakes Spaldinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08078500142758654392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-62524194497293777022015-09-21T21:20:55.129-07:002015-09-21T21:20:55.129-07:00"Hope is fruitful" - Pope Francis
“Hop..."Hope is fruitful" - Pope Francis<br /><br />“Hope has two beautiful daughters; their names are Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are, and Courage to see that they do not remain as they are.” - St. Augustine<br /><br />I don't think that there's any way of reconciling the weakness that this Pope emanates with the pillar of strength that is the Church, and our absolute need, especially now, to channel Heaven unto the world with prayer. Where are the exhortations to draw inspiration from Christ? Where is the affirmation that worldly goods don't matter? Surely the Pope chides the wealthy for such things, but the deadly sin of greed is just as often held by men who have nothing; the problem is what is worshiped not what is had. Where is the reminder that it is not the individual who should be worshiped? If anything this speech seems almost to encourage humanism. Sure, he speaks of good fruits but with no mention of the tree which creates them. This is borderline idolatry. It is infuriating. "Blessed are the poor". Why can't he focus on this? Why do I have to feel like this after reading something the Pope said? Куда ты идёшь?https://www.blogger.com/profile/15749758781993682534noreply@blogger.com