tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post4510564011540577194..comments2023-10-02T01:11:04.783-07:00Comments on Mahound's <br>Paradise: This Blog is Pro-Immigration*Oakes Spaldinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08078500142758654392noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-35566452457322192672016-07-20T02:08:31.174-07:002016-07-20T02:08:31.174-07:00Very good Oakes. I agree. Ours is a Christian nat...Very good Oakes. I agree. Ours is a Christian nation build on belief in God, personal freedom and self control based on Biblical teaching. Only those folks willing to subscribe to these values should be allowed to immigrate.Michael Dowdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16650782589323136700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-54164291534454225752016-07-19T16:17:59.487-07:002016-07-19T16:17:59.487-07:00Well that's a good point too, who gets to say ...Well that's a good point too, who gets to say what is authentically "French" and what isn't. Tough to say. But it doesn't seem terrible to imagine a limit on immigration for the purpose of maintaining the general culture. I believe the US once determined immigration based on what was good for the nation. I also don't see anything wrong with that, but it doesn't seem as if that is the main consideration now. Now immigration is thought of in terms of rescuing people and not what is good for a nation. Immigration from nations with compatible general values, such as to the US from South American nations, can be considered an asset in some ways since Americans do not produce enough children (it is said) to even replace themselves. (I think the Total Fertility Rate is 1.8.) Given the huge drain on services for immigrants that may be a wash, but when we talk about bringing in people whose values are not compatible, in fact, people who have demonstrated they are serious about replacing our judicial and cultural system with their own, and killing us with abandon in the process, we're in the realm of a disconnect with reality, and in no sense whatsoever can this be said to be a rational thing to do.Kathleen1031https://www.blogger.com/profile/10201084623185206141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-42783574307635794062016-07-19T15:35:56.393-07:002016-07-19T15:35:56.393-07:00I'm sympathetic with the cultural identity poi...I'm sympathetic with the cultural identity point but I think it's more complex and/or subtle than many think. And to this quasi-libertarian Catholic it's often not as much a case of "the nation" wanting to preserve its "identity' as much as it is one group of people imposing their preferences on another because, for whatever reason, they have more political power.<br /><br />To give a crude example, suppose you want to open a McDonalds in a French town. You're presumably only going to do that if there's a market for it - if there is a critical mass of French people who, whatever their other cultural preferences, occasionally want to munch a cheap American-style cheeseburger. Now, should another group of French people - the French people who are just bugged even THINKING that some French man or woman is somewhere enjoying a Big Mac - be allowed to impose their preferences on the others through the mechanism of government? I'm not so sure.<br /><br />And of course, all cultures are always evolving, partly due to other "outside" influences. This may be for the better or for the worse, granted. But it's not clear to me that government is any better than the market at "controlling" or guiding this process.<br /><br />Of course, as you point out and as I argue in the post, the spread of Islam (or any other totalitarian ideology) is a different sort of problem. Oakes Spaldinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08078500142758654392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-4509592707360719972016-07-19T15:22:21.098-07:002016-07-19T15:22:21.098-07:00Thanks, I appreciate that. I assume some Catholics...Thanks, I appreciate that. I assume some Catholics would disagree with my interpretation of one of the Sins that Cry to Heaven. Unlike, say, Catholic economic or social theory, where, among other things, there are a number of early encyclicals to refer to, there doesn't seem to be much on immigration or the "right" to move or travel - either from the pro or the con sides. Of course, I might be wrong on this. Oakes Spaldinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08078500142758654392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-72382481623276884942016-07-19T14:20:54.086-07:002016-07-19T14:20:54.086-07:00I dunno, I've long wondered how and why multic...I dunno, I've long wondered how and why multiculturalism got to be such a highly vaulted value. It's proponents always sound so self-congratulatory, from what hell did this value come? It's elevation as the highest value seems contemporary and contrived, and I think it's hard to look at it objectively anymore, we are all so brainwashed by the culture. <br />Personally I don't see anything wrong with any culture confined within their own geographic borders to decide they want to keep their culture and they understand that to allow massive amounts of non-members of that culture to infiltrate, is naturally going to dilute the culture they want to maintain. I mean, it's only sensible, anecdotally we know it's true, and I can't see anything wrong with it at all. You want to be French? Move to France. You like the Swiss? Enjoy the culture? Move there. But if the French or Swiss government feels your presence a detraction from their culture for whatever reason, they seem entitled to me to deny you entry, but this is of course at complete odds with the fanatical multiculturalists, or even the incidentally brainwashed, as most of us probably are. We have been instructed so many times that this is an unthinkable position, unfair, bigoted, xenophobic, nationalist, but that doesn't seem necessarily true at all, it sounds like a contemporary value run amuck.<br />As far as the world in general, Europe, the US, who knows how many Christians or non-Muslims will have to be slaughtered until the harsh reality is comprehended. Of course we need to think in terms of limiting those who follow Islam, and lots of other things are eventually going to have to be on the table before we are done. Probably some well-placed somebodies families will have to be affected first. But sooner or later it will dawn, that we are in a fight for our lives, and these imbeciles, these insane multiculturalists, have allowed the means of our destruction inside the gates. For the US, the upcoming election is going to determine if the US will take the same suicidal route as has Europe. Everything is on the line for this particular election. If Hillary Clinton is elected, it is over. The "never Trump" people need to comprehend if they fail to vote for Donald Trump, we will have unlimited Muslim immigration into the US.<br />There is no sensible rationale for throwing open the gates to Islam given what we have all seen and what history should have taught us. <br />I love my Catholic faith, but if Catholicism teaches that we should allow ourselves to be killed by invaders, then Catholicism is a dumb religion and I wouldn't follow it further. I don't think that is the case. I think Catholicism has been hijacked and taken prisoner and many of us are so thoroughly confused we have lost the use of logic and sound reason. It is now hard to be objective given how indoctrinated we all are. That we have relentless and daily attacks, barbaric and savage, completely unmerciful and horrific, yet are still debating immigration, says we are that confused and it is going to take a great deal more to convince us. <br />How tragic. God help us.Kathleen1031https://www.blogger.com/profile/10201084623185206141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1373152433565591514.post-43540555779656688362016-07-19T05:04:55.825-07:002016-07-19T05:04:55.825-07:00Your post is one of, if not the, best analysis I h...Your post is one of, if not the, best analysis I have ever run across with regard to immigration. I especially appreciate how your analysis faithfully incorporates a traditional Catholic perspective. Thank you! Wolverinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15598462294262651699noreply@blogger.com