Showing posts with label gay marriage. Show all posts
Showing posts with label gay marriage. Show all posts

Friday, February 3, 2017

Bishop Barron's Pelvic Issues


Don't blame me, man. I wasn't the first one to put "Pelvic Issues" into a title.

Bishop Robert Barron did it.

See yesterday's Word on Fire Post: DAVE RUBIN, THE PELVIC ISSUES, AND LARRY DAVID.

At least I didn't capitalize the whole thing.

A few days ago Barron came under fire for being decidedly meek about the issue of gay marriage in an interview with openly gay comedian/journalist, Dave Rubin.

The bishop then doubled down with a blogpost and a "clarification" on his Facebook page.

Earlier, I had a bit of fun with that by imagining Barron as a Nazi era priest trying to cozy up to the German authorities.

At Mahound's Paradise, we are nothing if not charitable.

To take a page from Barron, I want to clarify that I wasn't equating Rubin with the authorities. As at least one Catholic blogger remarked, the sympathetic Rubin came off much better than Barron. He almost seemed taken aback that Barron didn't have the courage to defend a controversial Catholic teaching when given every chance.

One senses that the anti-PC Rubin is attracted to or at least curious about the Catholic faith. But who does he get to sell it to him? Bishop PC himself.

Word Slightly Warm.

But I want to make a few serious comments on the claim Barron made to conclude his post:
[T]here is a lot more to Christianity than the “pelvic issues.”
Every Catholic would of course agree. There is a lot more to Catholic teaching (or Barron's preferred "Christianity") than any issue or set of issues.

But I would counter - and here I'm going to try to use less crass terminology than the famous bishop - that issues involving human sexuality are fundamentally important to Catholic doctrine and yes, even evangelization.

That doesn't of course mean obsessing about them or shoving them in people's faces all the time. But one honestly gets the impression that Barron believes that that's what the "old Church" has been doing for the last 2,000 years, at least until the auxiliary bishop from Los Angeles came along. And that's where Barron the puffball is guilty of a kind of slander.

I attend a traditional Catholic church. I have absolutely no doubt that every priest and brother at the church would have been much more forthright in answering the "gay marriage" question than Barron was. At the same time, in the literally hundreds of homilies that I have heard, I don't think the issue has come up more than a few times.

Indeed, the situation is almost the opposite of what Barron wants to imply. One homily that stands out most in my mind is hearing one of the most orthodox and stern priests that I know lecturing the congregation on not being or acting "holier than thou" when others behave immodestly or immorally. The difference between that and the "who am I to judge?" relativism of FrancisChurch is subtle yet important.

But as Father Bart himself might say, I digress.

Reducing issues of sexuality to a sort of footnote to Church teachings is completely counter to the history and philosophy of the Christian message. It's also counter to basic theological logic. God gave us the ability to do one thing or at least participate in doing one thing that only He could previously do - create more people in His image. All questions of human sexuality revolve around that fundamental point. Reducing that to a mere "pelvic issue" is another sort of slander.

It has been claimed that the Church's teachings on sexuality are "beautiful." If you have a hard time wrapping your head around that, you have my sympathy. But let me propose that the claim begins with the insight above. The flip side, of course, is that abusing or corrupting that beauty may have consequences. Virtually every Church Father, saint, priest or philosopher up until the mid-twentieth century believed sexual sin to be among the most potentially damning of the sins. If Barron disagrees (and I think he does), that puts him squarely in opposition to almost all of the people he talks about in his $189.95 10-DVD Catholicism set. Perhaps he thinks he's smarter.

Or perhaps he thinks he's a better evangelist. Tell me again how many net new Catholics they had in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles last year?

No, immigration doesn't count.

I should suggest that the reason the Church's teachings on sexuality seem to be so often on the agenda is because they are among the things most obviously out of sync with the rest of the culture. This was similarly the case with the early Christians, whose views and practices on sexual morality were quite different from those of the Romans and other pagans.

These days you won't find many non-Christians disagreeing with, say, the value of the Golden Rule. I suppose Barron believes that this is why evangelists should emphasize that teaching (among others) as opposed to appearing to "police" what people do in their bedrooms. But as many have noted, the more you water down the message to what other people agree with anyway, the less reason you're giving anyone to think about switching sides. What difference does it make?

Sure, we also have the Resurrection (of Our Lord and also of ourselves). That surely is Good News if anything is. But when do you tell someone that some of whether or not they will be with Christ in Heaven may depend a bit on what they do or don't do in their (or someone else's) bedroom? Do you wait till after they become Catholic? Maybe you should spring it on them the night before confirmation, or tuck it into the fine print of that document we all sign.

Too late. You signed it. Now you're definitely damned if you disagree. At least, before, you could plead ignorance.

Unless of course it never comes to that. Perhaps you'll become a Catholic and no one will ever really insist on these things to you. I wonder whether Barron might not be in favor of continuing to kick the issue down the road, as it were, perhaps indefinitely, way past your confirmation - since "there's a lot more to Christianity." Why let a mere pelvic issue get in the way? Ever?

I can easily imagine someone else we all know saying that very thing. But it wouldn't be charitable to mention his name.

Thursday, February 2, 2017

A Dream: Bishop Barron's Interview with Joseph Goebbels

Robert Barron was elevated to Auxiliary Bishop oKöln by Adolph Hitler in 1941

For a bit of context, see here and here: The "clarification" was made yesterday on his Facebook page.

A few days ago, Robert Barron, Auxiliary Bishop of Köln, gave an interview with Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels. It was subsequently printed in the newspaper, Das Reich.

In the interview, Barron said that while he disagreed with current government legislation regarding the Jews and other "enemies of the state," he "wouldn’t want to get on a crusader’s tank and try to reverse it."

This caused a bit of controversy among some Germans, especially those waiting out the war out in concentration camps. In response, Bishop Barron issued a clarification.


Statement by Bishop Robert Barron:
Friends, after reading a few comments, I know there's been some confusion about one of my answers during my recent interview with Das Reich. Of course, during any long, unscripted interview there will be things you wish you could have said more clearly, and perhaps this was one of them.
So to clarify: I don't support the government's decision to forcibly remove Jews and other undesirables to ghettos and internment camps, nor do I support the "harsh measures" against Jews and others that, at least according to rumor, are now being carried out by the SS on the Eastern Front. My heart and mind are united on that, and there's no confusion. I clearly stated my disagreement even as a government minister sat directly before me.
What I question is the prudence and wisdom of pursuing the issue any further. I believe that, given the present climate, opposition is best expressed through personal witness and education.
Again, please don’t misunderstand me: God asks us to protect and speak out in defense of the vulnerable. As Christ said, "all men are brothers." But I fear that for so many people in Germany today, religion is reduced to mere opposition to the war effort, and this is massively unfortunate.
My aim in that interview was to show the German people that there is a lot more to Christianity than its stance on "the Jewish question.”

Wednesday, July 1, 2015

Ode to Obamalodon: A Case Study in Evolution

Transitional Obamalodon with half-formed musculature  

(On the inspiration for the title, see here.)

Barack Obama's "evolution" on gay marriage is well known and parts of it have been catalogued in a number of places. But I wanted to set out a comprehensive account for the record, including the most recent mutation from "it should be left up to the states" to "it shouldn't be left up to the states". The account is long and (for some may be) tedious, but such is often the case with these things. If you're quickly reading this post on your phone  and only have a few minutes before your date returns from her cigarette, here are the takeaways:
  1. On gay marriage, most people know that Obama was against it before he was for it. But fewer know that he was for it before he was against it before he was for it. The technical name for this is "evolutionary reversal." Among evolutionary biologists it is a recognized, though somewhat uncommon phenomenon.
  2. Many if not most politicians evolve on issues. Though, especially among Democrats the gay marriage issue has been a veritable laboratory in widespread and rapid evolutionary activity. However, Obama is notable, if not unique in repeatedly recognizing the evolutionary process as it was happening and indeed, in forecasting future evolutionary changes. Take a look at these gills, baby. I won't have them forever.
  3. Many Obama opponents see the evolution thing as a dodge. His current views were always his real views. He was secretly hiding his views until the time was right to reveal them, etc. I do not see it this way (and no, I'm not kidding or joking around on this one). I fully believe that Obama was in favor of gay marriage, then was against it, then was for it. He was for leaving it up to the states, then he was against that. As to why his views changed or why, say, his particular view at one instance might have been this rather than that, those are separate questions. But I think Obama's views simply are...whatever they are at the time. That's how he thinks. That's what views are to him. Of course, I don't find this laudable or re-assuring. Rather, I find it, well, fascistic. In large part, Obama's views at any one time are whatever he thinks they should be to most effectively strive for, attain or hold on to power. Or, to put it another way, they are what he believes will serve him best at maximizing his own power over others. I didn't vote for him, by the way. How did you guess?
  4. On this note, Obama may currently be in favor of gay marriage, but I believe if he thought it politically expedient, he would not only be against gay marriage (as he was when that was politically expedient) but would be in favor of criminalizing gay conduct and imposing harsh punishments on such. Off to the camps with them, if it came to that. What? You think that's unfair? Well, note that Obama is an intense supporter (to the point of ignoring all other considerations including traditional and obvious U.S. interests) of the Muslim Brotherhood--an outlawed hard-core Muslim group, whose stated aim is to impose full-blown Sharia law on the people of Egypt. Where is his liberal concern for gays (or anyone) in that case? (See the last two items, below).
Okay, so here goes. Gay marriage, Yes or No?

1996: Yes.
State Senate candidate questionnaire from Outlines--a Chicago gay newspaper:
I favor legalizing same-sex marriages, and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages.
1998: Maybe.
Similar questionnaire from Outlines:
Do you favor legalizing same-sex marriage? Undecided. 
Would you support a bill to repeal Illinois legislation prohibiting same-sex marriage? Undecided. 
Would you co-sponsor such a bill? Undecided.
2004: No, but for strategic reasons.
Interview with Windy City Times:
I am a fierce supporter of domestic-partnership and civil-union laws. I am not a supporter of gay marriage as it has been thrown about, primarily just as a strategic issue. I think that marriage, in the minds of a lot of voters, has a religious connotation. ...What I'm saying is that strategically, I think we can get civil unions passed. … I think that to the extent that we can get the rights, I'm less concerned about the name. … Republicans are going to use a particular language that has all sorts of connotations in the broader culture as a wedge issue, to prevent us moving forward, in securing those rights, then I don't want to play their game.
2004: No, though yes to civil unions.
Interview with WTTW Chicago public television:
What I believe is that marriage is between a man and a woman. … What I believe, in my faith, is that a man and a woman, when they get married, are performing something before God, and it’s not simply the two persons who are meeting. … We have a set of traditions in place that, I think, need to be preserved. … I don’t think marriage is a civil right...but I also think we have to make sure that gays and lesbians have the same set of basic rights that are in place. And I was glad to see, for example, that the president today apparently stated that he was in favor of civil unions.
2006: No, but this may be because I am infected with society's prejudices.
From The Audacity of Hope:
I believe that American society can choose to carve out a special place for the union of a man and a woman as the unit of child rearing most common to every culture. …[But] it is my obligation not only as an elected official in a pluralistic society, but also as a Christian, to remain open to the possibility that my unwillingness to support gay marriage is misguided, just as I cannot claim infallibility in my support of abortion rights. I must admit that I may have been infected with society's prejudices and predilections and attributed them to God; that Jesus' call to love one another might demand a different conclusion; and that in years hence I may be seen as someone who was on the wrong side of history.
2007: No, though yes to civil unions.
Democratic Primary Debate sponsored by a gay rights group:
I would’ve supported and would continue to support a civil union that provides all the benefits that are available for a legally sanctioned marriage. And it is then, as I said, up to religious denominations to make a determination as to whether they want to recognize that as marriage or not.
2008: No, though yes to civil unions.
Interview with megachurch Pastor Rick Warren:
I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian, it is also a sacred union. God's in the mix...I am not somebody who promotes same-sex marriage, but I do believe in civil unions.
2008: No, though (not quoted here) yes to civil unions and no to federal intervention either way.
Interview with MTV:
I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage.
2010: No, but I may be evolving.
Interview with a group of liberal bloggers:
I have been to this point unwilling to sign on to same-sex marriage primarily because of my understandings of the traditional definitions of marriage. But I also think you’re right that attitudes evolve, including mine.
2011: No. Never. But he may be evolving.
White House Press Secretary Dan Pfeiffer to Net Roots Nation activists:
The president has never favored same-sex marriage. He is against it. The country is evolving on this, and he is evolving on it.
2012: Yes, but it should be up to the states.
David Corn of Mother Jones, quoting an Administration source:
[President Obama] has always said that it is a state issue, and he's not suggesting changing that. He did not support the North Carolina amendment [against gay marriage], but he's not saying he will bring up a piece of federal legislation on gay marriage. This is how he feels himself about the issue, and he leaves it to the states.
2012: Yes, but it should be up to the states:
Interview on Good Morning America:
I think it is a mistake to — try to make what has traditionally been a state issue into a national issue.
2012: Yes, and if it is recognized in some states, that recognition cannot be denied by other states.
Same Interview:
Well, I — you know, my Justice Department has already — said that it is not gonna defend — the Defense Against Marriage Act [which attempted to block the decisions in some states from impacting the decisions of other states]; that we consider that a violation of [the] equal protection clause. And I agree with them on that. You know? I helped to prompt that — that move on the part of the Justice Department.
2012: Yes.
Same Interview:
At a certain point, I've just concluded that for me personally, it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same-sex couples should be able to get married.
2015: Yes, and it should NOT be up to the states.
Rose Garden reaction to the Obergefell Supreme Court decision requiring states to recognize gay marriage:
And then sometimes there are days like this, when that slow steady effort is rewarded with justice that arrives like a thunderbolt,...When all Americans are treated as equal, we are all more free. Americans of good will continue to hold a wide range of views on this issue. For all our differences, we are one people — stronger together than we will ever be alone. That has always been our story. Today, we can say in no uncertain terms that we made our union a little more perfect.
2015: Yes, and rainbow.
The White House a few hours later:



Now, here's the Muslim angle.

2011-2015: No (and throw all the gays in jail).

The Obama Administration, to the anger and disdain of liberal Egyptians, supported the Muslim Brotherhood while it was on the path to turning Egypt into a full-blown authoritarian Islamic state. After the popular coup that ousted that organization and then outlawed it, the Administration has continued to express its support for the Brotherhood, holding meetings with key figures at the White House, among other things.

The stated aim of the Brotherhood has always been to create an Islamic state governed by Islamic Law or Sharia, a legal code that among other things, criminalizes and harshly punishes homosexual behavior. Though in initially gaining and attempting to consolidate political power, the Brotherhood was somewhat cagey on the explicit consequences of Sharia for gays as well as for other groups (mindful of Western opinion and the opinion of Egyptian "moderates"), here are a few hints of their views:

From an article on the 2011-12 elections, "Egypt Islamists 'use homophobia to win votes'":
The Muslim Brotherhood is "using homophobia and xenophobia to attract people's votes like they did before during the constitutional referendum and influenced people to vote 'yes'," according to Jennifer Josef from the international gay rights organisation ILGA. 
At a recent rally attended by about 25,000 people in Tanta, north of Cairo, Mohammed Badie, leader of the Muslim Brotherhood was reported to state that "it is not permissible for democracy to allow what is forbidden (haram) or forbid what is allowed (halal) even if the entire nation agreed to it." 
Mr Badie stressed that "the West has allowed gay marriage under the pretext of democracy, which we will never allow in Egypt..."
And here is a 2012 Foreign Policy Magazine interview with Dr. Mohammed Ghanem, the Brotherhood's spokesman in London:
FP: What is the Brotherhood’s position on gay rights? 
MG: We’ve never had a public issue on this particular problem. Most of the laws in Muslim countries consider it as illegal. Culturally, Muslims don’t like it. Legally speaking, I don’t think there have been any problematic cases. The people simply refuse it.

Saturday, June 27, 2015

Twitter Bans Anti-Gay Marriage Blogger

Better get a bucket. I'm going to vomit.

Julie at Connecticut Catholic Corner--a popular traditionalist Catholic blog--has been "locked out" of her Twitter account for the last twelve hours after tweeting that the pro-gay marriage celebratory behavior of Connecticut governor Dan Malloy made her "want to puke":
Your account has been locked 
Your account appears to have exhibited automated behavior that violates the Twitter Rules. To unlock your account, please click the button below and confirm you are the valid account owner. 
(There follows a button that says "Unlock my account".)
But so far, Twitter has not unlocked her account. And according to Julie, she has written three messages to Twitter without receiving a response.

She believes it was done on the request of Governor Malloy.

In many cases these things end up amounting "merely" to temporary harassment. The winner of the Draw Muhammad contest Bosch Fawstin was banned from Facebook for roughly the same period, due presumably to an initial critical mass of malicious complaints. But he was soon enough reinstated.

I hope this is what it in the end amounts to, though according to the latest comments from Julie, she is still locked out.

By the way, I was not aware of her blog before. But it's very useful and very faithful. And she's received a billion more hits than I have. It is hereby added to my (still fairly short) blog roll. I urge other Catholic bloggers to do the same.

It will serve the pukeworthy Governor right.

Wednesday, April 8, 2015

"Christians Should Be Thrown Off Buildings," A Fair and Reasoned Analysis by Frank Bruni

I married ISIS on the fifth day of May, but I could not hold on to him very long...

The final published title of Frank Bruni's notorious recent New York Times op-ed was "Bigotry, the Bible and the Lessons of Indiana." But a tipster told Mahound's Paradise that the title referenced by the post was Bruni's original choice. It was changed at the last minute when the Editor-in-Chief argued that it might cost the New York Times its sixty-two remaining Christian readers around the country, and the newspaper couldn't tolerate the resulting drop in advertising revenue.

Though I am a Christian, I am not going to argue here for the Christian position per se against Bruni, or the Indiana gay rights vs. freedom of religion controversy. If you want to know my position on providing pizza for Elton John's wedding or whatever, look it up in the Catholic Catechism. There are five whole chapters on it, right before the two chapters on what color combinations to wear in Spring and the one crucial chapter on how to annoy the hell out of Freemasons.

Rather, I am going to stick up for objective morality.


Oh, you don't believe in objective morality? Then go away, you silly commie.

"Sticking up for" means making claims, not arguments. It's up to you to fill in the arguments. What, do you think I'm going to do everything for you?

I'm not going to "play all my cards."

I'm not going to cite any quotations from Bruni's recent article. That's because I can't type while holding my nose. But the following propositions are a reaction to it. If you haven't seen it already, you can read it (see link, above). 

Here are twenty propositions:

  1. Objective morality doesn't change.
  2. People's opinions on it can and do change.
  3. Sometimes people are wrong about it.
  4. If one is open to the claim that people might have been wrong about it in the past, then one should be just as open to the claim that people might be wrong about it in the present.
  5. That assertion has consequences.
  6. The majority (in totality or within a particular favored place or group) is often wrong.
  7. People's opinions on objective morality aren't always advancing closer to the truth. (This is sort of a corollary of 4.)
  8. Science, as it's typically defined, doesn't necessarily help, especially if it is favorably contrasted with morality.
  9. Historically speaking, proclaiming "modernity" as a kind of moral savior is usually a prescription for moral decadence or worse.
  10. If one favorably cites the "biases" of "authors, cultures and eras," as a reason for preferring current moral claims to past moral claims, then one is a dunce. See 4 and 7.
  11. Being in favor of gay marriage is (in some sense) reasonable. Sorry, Christians.
  12. Being against gay marriage is (in some sense) reasonable. Sorry, gay marriage people.
  13. Believing that one or the other is better because one or the other is preferred by the majority (in totality or within a particular favored place or group) now, or because "history" is on the side of it, or "modernity" is allied with it, or because "science" tells us so, is Stalinist. Sorry, Stalinists.
  14. If you're going to trash the moral claims of "ancient texts" simply because they're ancient, then you're a dunce.
  15. But if you have some other reason for trashing the moral claims of ancient texts (and I'm not saying there aren't necessarily good ones), then provide something in their place. And, no, the opinion of the majority or whatever, doesn't count.
  16. The "throwing Christians off buildings" thing is obviously an allusion to ISIS--that cutting edge Muslim craze--throwing gays off buildings.
  17. Every time you think of Christians refusing to make pizzas for gay weddings, also think of that.
  18. Why would any self-respecting gay man want pizzas for his wedding?
  19. If you're a straight man who wants pizzas for his wedding, you're sentenced to watching at least ten episodes of Queer Eye for the Straight Guy.
  20. Not that there's anything wrong with it.

Well, I'm done. Asserting claims about objective morality is tiring. I feel like Moses or something. It's a tough job but someone has to do it. The New York Times is a dying rag. But I'm open to being hired to provide a counterpart to Bruni. I can also do restaurant reviews...